Today I learned an important lesson about position sizing.
Basically, the lesson is to always be consistent in your position sizing, no matter how confident you are in your setup.
In other words, don't get cocky and use a bigger position size than normal just because you're confident in a setup.
Today I shorted TRGT at an average of 7.01, using my typical position size. It was exactly the type of short setup I like.....huge jump in only a few days (it was over 200% of its lows) and wayyyyy, way outside the upper bollinger band. Trading volume had dropped off tremendously, and it was trading in a channel through the day, but showing lower highs and less volume as the day went on. Plus, it was way up on the positive results of a Phase II study....in other words, no fundamental change in the company itself, and obviously the drug is still a long ways from being on the market. Basically, hype, momentum traders, and the fact this was a low float stock is what pushed it up so far, so fast.
About 11 AM PST, it looked like TRGT was beginning to fade, and it fell under 7. This is where I got overconfident. I added to my position size. In fact, I tripled it, bringing my average cost basis to 6.97. For a little while, it looked like I was going to be right. TRGT fell below 6.90. I was looking for it to at least fall to the 6.50ish support level.
TRGT came back up to around 7. I figured it was just a bounce and I held.
Suddenly, TRGT had a huge pop to 7.20ish within 2 minutes. My mental stop was 7.18. I held, given that it had popped similarly throughout the day and came right back down. But it held the 7.10-7.18ish level. For a little bit it looked like it might come back down, but then it squeezed higher. I ended up getting out at 7.25, and completely wiped out my day's profits in one trade and broke even for the day.
I don't mind taking the loss on the trade. My mistake was adding to my position and increasing it dramatically. This was a particular mistake given that TRGT was a low float stock and could squeeze easily. Rather than taking a small loss and finishing the day with a profit, I took a large loss simply because my position size was too large compared to my typical position sizes.
For a while now I've been using Van Tharp's methods for position sizing with success. He has determined that an optimal position size is to risk no more than 1% of your capital in any one trade. So, if you have $10K of capital, you shouldn't risk more than $100 per trade. That doesn't mean you only put $100 into a trade. It means that, if a trade hits your stop loss, you'll lose around $100.
I broke this rule and tripled my risk, and paid the price.
No matter how sure you are of a setup, remember that the market doesn't care. I thought the risk of a squeeze for TRGT was low, and the market didn't care. You shouldn't change your risk based on how confident you are in a setup. While there's certainly nothing wrong with risking less than you typically would in certain situations (like stocks with big spreads), you should never risk more than you typically would.
As I mentioned in a previous post, I'm reading Fooled by Randomness right now. Nassim Taleb talks about how no matter how much you tell human beings not to touch a hot stove because they'll get burned, they usually will ignore such warnings and have to learn by experience. This was a case for me of learning by experience despite the fact I knew about appropriate position sizing. Of course, I've found with trading that sometimes you have to touch that hot stove 10 times before you finally learn not to touch it.
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Hi,
Nice post. I usually trade with a first lot, a second lot and a third lot. My third lot is defensive. I get it when I am in the money, and the trade is working for me, and if the position starts going against me, i get out of my third right away. Trim size down so its more manageable, then if you like it again, get right back in.
Angelo
In regards to your technical setup I see a failure in gathering knowledge about the stock as it traded today. $7 did not establish as a valid level for a short on a breakout to the downside. 6.80-6.90 described the bottom of the range with 7.25 on the top. These levels were carved out by the stock 15 minutes after the open and were evident on the order book during premarket. It was unable to test premarket lows during regular trading even with high volume dumping off the open.
"Trading volume had dropped off tremendously, and it was trading in a channel through the day, but showing lower highs and less volume as the day went on."
- I see where you're coming from with this setup but if you were looking for a short and you know it has been trading in a channel and is rangebound why not take the short at the top of the channel earlier in the day @ 7.15 - 7.19 or something?? Perhaps you could add at 11 PST as it breaks under 7 but you would do this realizing that $7 is not necessarily a valid level and would need a tighter stop.
Just some thoughts, not trying to be an @$$
Angelo,
Thanks for the comment. I had thought about that a bit...if you add to a position and it immediately goes against you, get out of your added portion but keep the rest. Really though I should've only considered adding if it broke support for the day. I just got overconfident because I've done very well from the short side on these type of setups.
Anon,
Thanks for your comment. I've traded similar setups to this with success in the past, on the idea that the stock continued to hit lower highs. I've caught a number of fades this way, even if they didn't break their lows for the day or if I didn't catch them quite at the top of the range. Usually I've had success after the 2nd test of the high and fail for these huge runups. So I don't regret shorting at 7 even though it was a bit off of the top of the range. But I do regret adding as there was no good reason to add to my position.
Hey Yngavi!
Looking at TRGT's chart from today, I would have to say it was more likely for it to fade (big drop in volume from Wed.) than break out more - but it had a very clear channel it was ranging in.
I use the 15 opening range, and I guess I saw the same short-term resistance and support as the anon. poster mentioned. But like you said, adding to the position was the big issue.
On a stock like this that seems to be in a range, I like to enter short at the top of the channel and then have my stop just outside of it a key price. I think price being in yesterday's range also kept things fairly contained with it. On more dropping anchor plays on stocks that gap up or down outside of their price range from the day before, it seems safer to enter on the bottom of the channel when/if it bounces up, like if TRGT crashed through $7 on volume, but recovered a bit on a pop back - then get in there on the bottom of the range, with the stop like at $7.10.
That's my theory that I'm trying to test out - not so much advice for you! CHEERS...
Yeah, normally in these type of situations I wait for the stock to break a key support level. However, I've been so successful with shorting these types (90%+ success rate) that I got a bit overconfident. But I've had success in the past. For example, HEB after its big run....I shorted after the second intraday spike that failed to break the previous high, even though it was still in its trading range. And we all know what happened to HEB not long after that. But you're right if you look at the previous action on the previous day....the stock had done a lot of consolidation around $7 so I was probably a bit overaggressive on my short this time. I think I've had too much success shorting so I got a bit too overconfident. But really it was adding size which was the biggest problem....the $7 entry was minor in comparison.
I think that's why it's important to stay consistent with position sizes. Frustrating to turn a profitable day to neutral but the lesson is learned and it's better than having a loss on the day.
Cool, didn't mean to get all chart preacher on you.
Those irrational price run ups do make nice shorts, and if they're working 90% of the time - don't fix it if ain't broken.
Wow, my hands are charred and look like crispy little critters. I'm just trying like hell not to put my face on the hot stove, with regard to adding to losing positions.
We'll catch on eventually.
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This is just my take. I don't think this stock looked good for a short because even though it doesn't have the fundamentals now the anticipation of future revenue is pretty strong. Don't know this particular stocks revenue projection but some investors/traders will give it whatever price matches those future revenues/earnings. That is actually pretty fundamental bc every stock is influenced by future earnings, cash flows.
Technically a breakout gap is an important bull signal and should be looked at as a long until it breaks the gap imo.
The short was actually around 7.30s or so. Other than that, I wouldn't touch it unless I was in at open
Anon,
I was in at the open and got squeezed out, then re-entered later. Getting in the 7.30s was almost impossible given the spread. You would've been lucky to get in there unless you had a perfectly timed limit order that was sitting there ready to get hit.
Mark,
The same could be said for a number of other big run-ups on drug news, including HEB and NVAX, which both made outstanding shorts.
Potential = hype in my book, because potential can only last so long. Many smallcaps have short-lived big runs on potential. But the runs are short-lived because there is no true change in the fundamentals. There is no drug deal with a major pharmaceutical company. There are no earnings.
Remember that my time-horizon is very short (usually only a day trader). Any stock that has run up significantly in a short period of time almost always experiences a hard pullback. It's basic trading psychology. At some point people stop buying. Current holders get a bit nervous and will start to take profits. New buyers are too scared to come in because the stock has run up so far, so fast.
Haha, bctrader!
is stackyourcream.blogspot.com still available? I used to visit it, but haven't checked it in a while.
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"I was in at the open and got squeezed out, then re-entered later."
You shorted the open? lol
Yes I shorted the open. I've done it numerous times on similar setups with success
Hey, I believe today's the big day, congratulations!!
Thanks, matty! Yes, today's the day!
Then what the hell are you reading your blog for?!? ;-)
the wife didn't put out
hey man,
I know that you also trade on cy group, i just joined and needed to know a way of being able to import my trades into covestor. what do i do when it asks me for broker statement?
thanks a lot man
jamal chahboune
Jamal,
Since Yngvai is likely on his honeymoon, I will try to answer your question because I'm with Cy Group too, in part because of Welcome to the Gutter.
First, Blain at Covestor is great at responding to inquiries. EMAIL: support@covestor.com.
I've talked to Yngvai about this before, and he told me that you have to manually input all your trades.
I emailed Blain to see if I could back date my trades with the prop firm because I've been with Cy since Feb. but haven't been tracking my trades on Covestor. This is what he said to me:
"...As far as tracking your prop firm trading we can support it via manual trade entry but note you will have to enter in all trades each day into the system as there is not auto import available. Thus, as long as you can keep up with the data entry it can be tracked. Note though performance will start on the date you open the new Covestor account and upload an initial statement. You cannot enter previous trade data... "
As for a Cy Group statement, you could likely goto cygrouponline.com login under the members page, and do a screen shoot of your account activity for trading in the month, and use that as statement.
Good luck!
thanks a lot man!
jamal chahboune
Not on honeymoon yet (not until Labor Day weekend) but Charlie answered it perfectly!
I stopped tracking my Cy Group trades myself with Covestor. It just got too tedious manually inputting my trades each day.
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